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Original Elite - what's the catch?

PostPost by: martinbrowning » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:59 am

I might be off the planet here, but what's the catch with this one?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1961-Lotus-E ... SwyQhbNLfS

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PostPost by: Mazzini » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:08 am

It's a scam by the look of it.
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PostPost by: jimcast » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:22 am

Definitely a scam. Look at his other items. About time ebay clamped down on this sort of thing!
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PostPost by: JonB » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:24 am

I'm not sure it's a scam. There is a business listing and web site backing it up, with a land line. Bank transfer looks a bit dodgy, though, but maybe you can call them to go see and pay on the spot if you want it (like a classified ad)? As the seller appears to be in the salvage recovery business perhaps the terms are like that due to them being used to dealing with motor traders.

If I wanted this car I would insist on viewing it upfront, of course.
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:36 am

Mazzini wrote:It's a scam by the look of it.

photos are poor quality but they gives the impression of a cheap restoration, which does not vouch for top prices. Not a car to buy sight unseen in any case...
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PostPost by: pharriso » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:06 am

Photos seem to be in America from the cars in the background?

Anyway, at that price i will take 3 please...
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PostPost by: pharriso » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:08 am

Photos seem to be in America from the cars in the background?

Anyway, at that price i will take 3 please...

Update: Just found this on the Elite FB page...http://prautomotiveimports.com/inventory/76-elite
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PostPost by: el-saturn » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:57 pm

if i had the spare change, i'd love to buy it at 1/3 THE REG. PRICE! soemthing is too good to be true (= hands off, or not?) sandy
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PostPost by: CBUEB1771 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:14 pm

The advertisement that Phil found on the Elite Facebook page does not appear to be a scam. The company offering Elite 1176 is PR Automotive Imports, owned by Patrick Roussel who was in sales for many years at the Aston Martin / Lotus dealer here in Waltham, Massachusetts. Elite 1176 was owned, at least until recently, by Bill Putman. Bill does in fact have his own collection of nearly 50 British cars in an informal museum behind his inn on Cape Cod, so this part of the story ties. A recent service performed by KTR, a race preparation shop also in this area, also ties. Bill's cars have never been maintained to a high standard so a lower than normal price is to be expected however this appears to be extraordinarily cheap. The eBay add with 1176 being in England reeks of scam. This Elite can't be on two sides of the Atlantic at the same time. The PR Automotive add appears to be legitimate, all the pieces of the story fit together. This shop is only a few miles from my office, I may pop over. This shop also appears to be in the same location where the Lotus dealer for New England was in the late 1960s and 1970s.
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PostPost by: pharriso » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:26 pm

CBUEB1771 wrote:The advertisement that Phil found on the Elite Facebook page does not appear to be a scam..


Russ, the eBay scam lifted the pictures from the genuine ad in MA.
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PostPost by: CBUEB1771 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:15 pm

pharriso wrote:Russ, the eBay scam lifted the pictures from the genuine ad in MA.


Phil - Yes, I agree. The Ford and Chevy pickups and the Jeep in the background are a bit of a giveaway. Also the concrete barriers with "Flett" are noteworthy. Flett is a construction company next door to PR's facility in Belmont, Massachusetts. I went to some length in my post because many people, both here and on FB, are assuming that both ads were scams. I wish I had seen it before it sold, given the extremely low price. I can't imagine Patrick Roussel advising on such a low price unless there are some unusual circumstances. I'll have to get the real story from Carl Whitney.
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PostPost by: pharriso » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:23 pm

What was the selling price?, don't see that anywhere...
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PostPost by: kpcseven » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:30 pm

The interesting thing about the Cape Cod museum, which if I recall correctly, was named Toad Hall, is that all of the cars were green, except the Elite which was red when I was there. The website back then noted the exception and said that he would probably paint it green sometime which appears to have been the case.
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PostPost by: CBUEB1771 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:05 pm

pharriso wrote:What was the selling price?, don't see that anywhere...


Phil - I should be able to find out. I have to correct myself on comments I made about the price. No price is suggested in the listing on the PR Automotive site. Only the scam advertisement indicates a price.
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:22 pm

The company that runs these adverts is due to be struck off,

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10696746

Raw Car Sales Limited, an obvious ( to me) shell scam company set up to deceive. The unwary might be talked into parting with an £8000 deposit prior to viewing.

If it seems too good to be true then it probably is.

PLEASE ONLY CONTACT IF YOU CAN AGREE TO AND FOLLOW THESE AUCTION RULES :-

1. DEPOSIT OF £8,000 TO BE PAID BY BANK TRANSFER WITHIN 24 HOURS OF SENDING THE PURCHASE INVOICE.
2. BALANCE TO BE CLEARED IN THE SAME DAY YOU REMOVE IT FROM THE OWNER YARD.
3. THE PRICE IS NOT FINAL AND WE ACCEPT OFFERS.

FOR DIRECT RESERVATION PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE http://www.salvag-ecars.eu



EDIT.... still for sale on their scam website https://www.salvag-ecars.eu/1961_Lotus_ ... 15599.aspx doeas anyone want to have some fun and add this item to their basket?
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