Steering Column Interference

PostPost by: WilST » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:51 am

My 1966 S2 Elan is throwing a bit of a curve-ball. The underdash square-looking steering column/shaft coupler is contacting the brake pedal mount pretty hard, messing up the steering smoothness big-time (see pic). The only solution I found on LotusElan.net was to make a smaller steel one. Seems like just about any S1 or S2 would have to deal with this issue. I'd appreciate it if one of you S2 guys could look at that coupler on your car and tell me how it clears the brake pedal mount. Better yet, could you post a picture?
Thanks, Wil
interference-text.jpg and
Last edited by WilST on Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Pacific NorthWest USA
'Memes are not Facts'
Elan S2 26/4441 (Archivist Verified)
Panoz Esperante (an updated Elan)
550 Maranello (easy to get in trouble with that one)
Range Rover 2-Door 5-sp. (scarce in US)
WilST
First Gear
First Gear
 
Posts: 36
Joined: 20 Sep 2010

PostPost by: Geoffers71 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:46 am

Just been out to take a pic of mine, but I've just realized that yours must be left hand drive, so probably not much help. Mine clears the clutch pedal easily as you can see
img_1115.jpg and


However I wonder if the clamp on yours is the same as on mine, can't tell to be sure. Sorry not been much help on reflection :(
1965 Elan S2 (26/4726)
2002 Elise S2 (now sold :-()
1970 Scimitar GTE
"The older I get the better I was !"
Geoffers71
Third Gear
Third Gear
 
Posts: 437
Joined: 06 Feb 2014

PostPost by: pharriso » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:53 am

I think your pedal return spring is on the wrong way round...
Phil Harrison
1972 Elan Sprint 0260K
User avatar
pharriso
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 3600
Joined: 15 Sep 2010

PostPost by: 661 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:15 am

Try moving the whole outer column towards the driver a fraction then the clamp can be moved upwards a fraction too. The steering wheel is a fraction closer, but personally I like that with my T-rex arms.
Graeme
S4 SE
S2 GTS
Caterham 420R
Sold - Peterson JPS Exige
User avatar
661
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 1275
Joined: 29 Mar 2012

PostPost by: elanner » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:28 am

That looks very strange. Take a look at Phil's and my photos at:

lotus-chassis-f36/pedal-box-photo-t29885.html

There's plenty of clearance.

Nick
User avatar
elanner
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 615
Joined: 14 Sep 2010

PostPost by: alan.barker » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am

Imho the outer steering column has been clamped too low. Maybe someone tried to push the steering wheel further away from the driver.
Alan
Alan.b Brittany 1972 elan sprint fhc Lagoon Blue 0460E
alan.barker
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 3707
Joined: 06 Dec 2008

PostPost by: WilST » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:20 pm

Yes, LHD. Thanks all for the replies. Graeme, that's what I'm going to try next, though there doesn't seem much room for moving the coupling column/shaft ass'y either towards the driver or towards the center of the car. Hope I'm wrong.
Thx,
Wil
Pacific NorthWest USA
'Memes are not Facts'
Elan S2 26/4441 (Archivist Verified)
Panoz Esperante (an updated Elan)
550 Maranello (easy to get in trouble with that one)
Range Rover 2-Door 5-sp. (scarce in US)
WilST
First Gear
First Gear
 
Posts: 36
Joined: 20 Sep 2010

PostPost by: 661 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:52 pm

WilST wrote:Yes, LHD. Thanks all for the replies. Graeme, that's what I'm going to try next, though there doesn't seem much room for moving the coupling column/shaft ass'y either towards the driver or towards the center of the car. Hope I'm wrong.
Thx,
Wil

It won't move sideways. It will move up. Disconnect the impact clamp, loosen the two brackets that hold the outer column. It should then be able to be moved up to the point you want. It will take the upper inner column withe steering wheel attached with it.
Graeme
S4 SE
S2 GTS
Caterham 420R
Sold - Peterson JPS Exige
User avatar
661
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 1275
Joined: 29 Mar 2012

PostPost by: alan.barker » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:38 am

Check to see if the Steering Rack has been bolted to the Chassis using the correct holes.
To attach the Rack to the Chassis there are 8 HOLES for LHD you need to use the 2 on each side to the LEFT.
On my RHD Elan the 2 on each side to the RIGHT are used.
That's to say your Rack has been position for RHD and not LHD :shock: .
I hope i'm right because it can be fixed in 10 minutes.
Alan
Alan.b Brittany 1972 elan sprint fhc Lagoon Blue 0460E
alan.barker
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 3707
Joined: 06 Dec 2008

PostPost by: billwill » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:45 pm

661 wrote:
WilST wrote:Yes, LHD. Thanks all for the replies. Graeme, that's what I'm going to try next, though there doesn't seem much room for moving the coupling column/shaft ass'y either towards the driver or towards the center of the car. Hope I'm wrong.
Thx,
Wil

It won't move sideways. It will move up. Disconnect the impact clamp, loosen the two brackets that hold the outer column. It should then be able to be moved up to the point you want. It will take the upper inner column withe steering wheel attached with it.


The upper column bracket is fastened to the dash {I think} & you need to remove the knee trim to get at it it to move the steering wheel back.

See: lotus-suspension-f42/taking-the-collapsable-steering-column-apart-t18248-15.html

And: lotus-suspension-f42/steering-column-mount-t23330.html#p145093

Image
Bill Williams

36/6725 S3 Coupe OGU108E Yellow over Black.
billwill
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 5062
Joined: 19 Apr 2008

PostPost by: elanner » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:48 pm

Perhaps a good way to get the steering column housing in approximately the right place is to check that you can see the ears of the top steering column rubber bush visible just in front of the face of the dashboard.

elan_steeringcolumnbush.jpg and

Nick
User avatar
elanner
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 615
Joined: 14 Sep 2010

PostPost by: Davidb » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:00 pm

I had this problem on my LHD S2 as well. I found that moving the column down as suggested cured the problem-I think in today's world this would become a safety recall! :)
'65 S2 4844
Davidb
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 942
Joined: 02 Jul 2009

PostPost by: WilST » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:57 am

Thanks much for all the good input! It broke the situation loose, been a bit mind-locked on this one.

The rack is mounted in the left-hand holes as correct. The outer steering column was too far down (the rubber bushes weren't showing), so loosened column and coupling clamp fasteners, pulled the assembly up a bit and--job done. Thanks all for the great help.
Pacific NorthWest USA
'Memes are not Facts'
Elan S2 26/4441 (Archivist Verified)
Panoz Esperante (an updated Elan)
550 Maranello (easy to get in trouble with that one)
Range Rover 2-Door 5-sp. (scarce in US)
WilST
First Gear
First Gear
 
Posts: 36
Joined: 20 Sep 2010

PostPost by: alan.barker » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:23 am

Thanks for finishing the story, bravo
Alan
Alan.b Brittany 1972 elan sprint fhc Lagoon Blue 0460E
alan.barker
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 3707
Joined: 06 Dec 2008

PostPost by: 661 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:28 pm

Excellent
Graeme
S4 SE
S2 GTS
Caterham 420R
Sold - Peterson JPS Exige
User avatar
661
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 1275
Joined: 29 Mar 2012
Next

Total Online:

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests