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New mot rule

PostPost by: JonB » Wed May 16, 2018 4:47 pm

MarkDa wrote:I reckon that assessors all look more closely at self cert than tested.


That's an interesting point, and one that could undermine any confidence we might have in MOT exemption. If true, though, it would be discriminatory. I think, on balance, that I will declare the Purple B*****d ( :lol: ) exempt, but continue MOT-ing on a voluntary basis, until it all settles down a bit.
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PostPost by: MarkDa » Wed May 16, 2018 5:55 pm

The DVLA are very clear Dangerous is do not drive.
This is lift from DVLA guidance to testers

Defect categories
You will categorise defects you find during the MOT as either:

dangerous
major
minor
You must record all dangerous, major and minor defects. DVSA can take disciplinary action against you if you don’t.

The MOT inspection manual tells you which defect category to use, depending on the type of problem and how serious it is.

You will still be able to give ‘advisories’.

Item result What it means about the item How it affects the MOT result

Dangerous A direct and immediate risk to road safety or has a serious impact on the environment. Do not drive the vehicle until it’s been repaired. Fail

Major It may affect the vehicle’s safety, put other road users at risk or have an impact on the environment. Repair it immediately. Fail

Minor No significant effect on the safety of the vehicle or impact on the environment. Repair as soon as possible. Pass

Advisory It could become more serious in the future. Monitor and repair it if necessary. Pass

Pass It meets the minimum legal standard. Make sure it continues to meet the standard. Pass

The formatting is bit off but you can read through each defect type and what it means
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PostPost by: 661 » Sun May 20, 2018 8:01 am

So , this is lifted from the new Gov. webpage:

Cars, vans, motorcycles and other light passenger vehicles won’t need to have an MOT if they’re over 40 years old and have not been substantially changed.
Until now, only vehicles first built before 1960 were exempt from needing an MOT.
Now the rules have changed, vehicles won’t need an MOT from the 40th anniversary of when they were registered or manufactured. You can check the date the vehicle was registered online.
Example
If a car was first registered on 31 May 1978, it won’t need an MOT from 31 May 2018.
You won’t have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle.
However, each time you tax your historic vehicle (even if you don’t pay a fee), you’ll have to declare it meets the rules for not needing an MOT.

So it would appear that we don't need to do anything until the tax reminder comes through a few weeks before the annual renewal. As that is an online application I would guess that whole thing will be online.
I'll be interested to see if I can tax ( including MOT declaration), and therefore declare roadworthy, my SORN'd Elan which is in pieces.
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PostPost by: 69S4 » Sun May 20, 2018 8:38 am

Well mine went through ok a couple of hours ago, although the cursor did hover over the 'I declare it's roadworthy' option for a few seconds before I clicked. I'll see whether my judgement was accurate when we head off to the Chiltern Hills Rally (a classic show) in it shortly.

I wonder how long it'll before the papers are screaming about self declared death traps roaming our streets when someone has an accident because of something an MOT test would have picked up. :(
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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Sun May 20, 2018 4:07 pm

I thought I'd try to tax my old Beetle that hasn't been on the road for 33 years. No problem, it can go on the road now! In fairness I have been playing with it for a while and it is pretty much roadworthy. But I would have thought that a decent transition would be to have to have a current MOT before going MOT free? Of course, in 10 or 20 years time many fully roadworthy classics will not have had an MOT for 10 or 20 years.
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun May 20, 2018 4:52 pm

Elanintheforest wrote:I thought I'd try to tax my old Beetle that hasn't been on the road for 33 years. No problem, it can go on the road now! In fairness I have been playing with it for a while and it is pretty much roadworthy. But I would have thought that a decent transition would be to have to have a current MOT before going MOT free? Of course, in 10 or 20 years time many fully roadworthy classics will not have had an MOT for 10 or 20 years.


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Your Beetle was looking good last time I saw it, no problem with an MOT as far as I can see.

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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Sun May 20, 2018 5:05 pm

Ha !! That's more like my Zimbabwe 1600E. The Beetle is all bright and beautiful, as befitting Germany's ultimate Gran Turisimo machine....
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun May 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Not been on the road for 33 years.........Do German cars have an especially long MOT then?

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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Sun May 20, 2018 5:28 pm

It came with an MOT, but hadn't been taxed as it was still on 'normal' tax and not historic. The last tax was in 1985, but the owner (who bought the car new) had used it occasionally just to give it a small run. I think that the MOT may have been bought judging by the state of the brakes and suspension!
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PostPost by: JonB » Sun May 20, 2018 5:48 pm

Thats a nice example of a Beetle...
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun May 20, 2018 5:49 pm

Mark,
Shock horror!......

I don’t think that I have ever come across anyone on these forums who would wilfully disregard safety, The new MOT exempt rules for cars that are eligible don’t concern me, I hope that there isn’t an incident that spoils it for the majority of responsible owners.
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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Sun May 20, 2018 9:25 pm

The MOT is only a spot check on the car, and doesn't check two of the most important things for classics

First, tyres are designed to have a safe life of no more than 10 years. Classics often have tyres that have stood in one position for a long time, have done little work, and are prone to failure once over 10 to 15 years old. No MOT ever checked for this safety aspect, other than obvious cracks or bulges.

Second, our cars should have their brake hydraulics overhauled / replaced every 5 years, and the brake fluid changed every 2 years. Again, very much a safety item, that would be very hard to mandate other than getting a reputable garage to do the work and showing evidence of it having been done.

We have to take responsibility and not hide behind a piece of paper, and really, that's always been true. But I'm sure there will be incidents in the future where people will claim it's because of the lack of MOT. Nobody ever claimed that an old tyre failure or brake failure was because of the MOT!
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PostPost by: billwill » Sun May 20, 2018 10:21 pm

According to BBC news today the actual MOT test has been tightened up to include several things that were not previously included.

I think it may now include age of tyres and now certainly includes the diesel car particle collector. Evidence of tampering will fail MOT.
These particle filters were included in cars since 2009 and are apparently expensive to replace so soe owners have been removing them. This will now fail MOT

I have not yet found out what relates to my own 2002 diesel MPV.
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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Mon May 21, 2018 5:52 am

The age of tyres isn't usually a problem with an everyday car though Bill, as they tend (and are designed) to be used up well within 40,000 miles / 5 or 6 years. It's really only the classics that have that problem!
The new MOT will fail cars having an engine management light on, which is new. It's also a fail if the CATs or any part of the exhaust system has been modified in a way that increases emissions. My Clio V6, with a straight through exhaust (all of 3 foot long!) and no CATs may be in trouble. That's without considering the dB count! Ah well, maybe time to put the original exhaust back on an be all grown up, unless I can get away with it for another year of course.
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PostPost by: types26/36 » Fri May 25, 2018 1:07 pm

In case anyone does not know the MOT exemption form can be downloaded from this link.
Sorry if its been mentioned already but I have not read all of the thread.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... om-mot.pdf
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