Lotus Elan

battery cable

PostPost by: rdssdi » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:30 pm

I need to purchase cable to make the battery cables for my +2.

What gauge wire was originally used?

The positive cable is a long run. Is it advisable to use a heavier gauge
cable?

Are solder on terminals adequate or should they be ordered from a cable
assembly supplier?

Bob
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PostPost by: "Benjamin Levy" » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:12 am

On 8/29/06, ***@***.*** <***@***.***> wrote:
I need to purchase cable to make the battery cables for my +2.

What gauge wire was originally used?

I don't know what gauge, but I've heard that a welding supply shop
is a good place to get heavy gauge wire.
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PostPost by: steveww » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:00 am

I get all my electrical bits from
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/***@***.***e: &gt; I need
to purchase cable to make the battery cables for my +2. &gt; &gt; What
gauge wire was originally used? &gt; &gt; The positive cable is a long run.
Is it advisable to use a heavier gauge &gt; cable? &gt; &gt; Are solder on
terminals adequate or should they be ordered from a cable &gt; assembly
supplier? &gt; &gt; Bob &gt; 1969 Elan +2 &gt; &gt; &gt; [Non-text
portions of this message have been removed] &gt; &gt;


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PostPost by: M100 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:17 am

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:59:28 +0100, Steve wrote:

I get all my electrical bits from
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/***@***.***e: &gt; I need
to purchase cable to make the battery cables for my +2. &gt; &gt; What
gauge wire was originally used? &gt; &gt; The positive cable is a long run.
Is it advisable to use a heavier gauge &gt; cable? &gt; &gt; Are solder on
terminals adequate or should they be ordered from a cable &gt; assembly
supplier? &gt; &gt; Bob &gt; 1969 Elan +2 &gt; &gt; &gt; [Non-text
portions of this message have been removed] &gt; &gt;

&gt? Surely an Elan owner should be drinking real ale and not
dyslexic g&t?

Anyone else getting spurious characters in Steve's (and only Steve's)
posts?

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PostPost by: frearther » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:43 am

It seems to me that most of us are spurious characters - otherwise we
would be driving Toyotas :-)
But yes, Steve's posts seem to have a translation problem, unless the
&gt is a new car model :-[

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:59:28 +0100, Steve wrote:
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PostPost by: steveww » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:43 pm

It only happens when I use my webmail access. I will investigate and see
if I can fix it.

Martin Evans wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:59:28 +0100, Steve wrote:


> I get all my electrical bits from
> http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/***@***.***e: &gt; I need
> to purchase cable to make the battery cables for my +2. &gt; &gt; What
> gauge wire was originally used? &gt; &gt; The positive cable is a long run.
> Is it advisable to use a heavier gauge &gt; cable? &gt; &gt; Are solder on
> terminals adequate or should they be ordered from a cable &gt; assembly
> supplier? &gt; &gt; Bob &gt; 1969 Elan +2 &gt; &gt; &gt; [Non-text
> portions of this message have been removed] &gt; &gt;
>

&gt? Surely an Elan owner should be drinking real ale and not
dyslexic g&t?

Anyone else getting spurious characters in Steve's (and only Steve's)
posts?



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PostPost by: rdssdi » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:46 am

Can anyone recommend a supplier for 2/0 battery cable and terminals.

I would like to find battery cable made in the U.S.. It appears it is not
readily available. The only site I have been able to find is wiring
products.com. Any others?

Thanks

Bob
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PostPost by: tvacc » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:56 am

I used a local company here in Buffalo called the Battery company. I cant
find a website for them.



I had them make one up for my Seven.10 foot long as I recall. If you want me
to have one made up for you.let me know.



You can also go to any construction company outfitter. The guys that make
hydraulic hoses on the spot. Many of them also do cable.



Tony Vaccaro



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Can anyone recommend a supplier for 2/0 battery cable and terminals.

I would like to find battery cable made in the U.S.. It appears it is not
readily available. The only site I have been able to find is wiring
products.com. Any others?

Thanks

Bob
1969 Elan +2
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PostPost by: rdssdi » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:06 am

I was considering making the cables myself. Solder slugs are available for
each terminal and wire gauge. Placed into the terminal melted with torch then
the stripped cable end is inserted. The previously placed shrink tube is
pushed over the terminal and heated to shrink. Appears to be easy as DIY.

I need a cable for battery to ground, positive to cut off switch, cutoff
switch to front of car and solenoid, solenoid to starter.

I hoped to do these myself.

Bob
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PostPost by: "Elton E. (Tony) Cla » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:40 am

*I've used the services of local welding supply shops. They will have the
proper flexible cable in various sizes and the equipment to swage suitable
ends which have the capacity to handle the huge amp loads of welding
equipment. For special applications, try an electrical supply shop for a
larger selection of terminals. Soldering the terminals is good but the
copper conducts the heat so well it's tough to keep the insulation on the
cable. Welding people trust properly swaged ends for more amps that we ever
need on cars.*
*Tony *
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PostPost by: dougweall » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:19 am

Bob,
No matter which method you use to make your cables, may I suggest you fit one from a starter motor
bolt back to the battery earth. (No engine to chassis earth is fitted).
I have this fitted, along with a Brise starter, plus I have run a 2.5mm cable linking all the chassis earth points
(starting at the engine inlet side earth point) back to the battery earth in an attempt to eliminate earth problems.
So far so good.
Doug.


Message Received: Sep 03 2006, 02:06 AM
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To: ***@***.***
Cc:
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] battery cable

> I was considering making the cables myself. Solder slugs are available for
each terminal and wire gauge. Placed into the terminal melted with torch then
the stripped cable end is inserted. The previously placed shrink tube is
pushed over the terminal and heated to shrink. Appears to be easy as DIY.

I need a cable for battery to ground, positive to cut off switch, cutoff
switch to front of car and solenoid, solenoid to starter.

I hoped to do these myself.

Bob
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PostPost by: "C.D.S." » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:33 am

Hello Bob,

Where are you located?
Aside from welding shops (which is an excellent suggestion) try
marine suppliers.
They will have some cables that will also offer some corrosion
protection, plus the
lugs to fit them.

2/0 is quite large, but it wouldn't hurt ;-)



regards


carl



On Sep 2, 18 Heisei, at 5:45 PM, ***@***.***e:

Can anyone recommend a supplier for 2/0 battery cable and terminals.

I would like to find battery cable made in the U.S.. It appears it
is not
readily available. The only site I have been able to find is wiring
products.com. Any others?

Thanks

Bob
1969 Elan +2





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PostPost by: fatboyoz » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:35 pm

Doug,
Don't know which model you have, but my 68 S4 is fitted with an
engine to chassis earthing strap at the left hand engine mount. Is
also mentioned in the repair manual as well.
Colin.

--- In ***@***.***, ***@***.***e:
Bob,
No matter which method you use to make your cables, may I suggest
you fit one from a starter motor

bolt back to the battery earth. (No engine to chassis earth is
fitted).

I have this fitted, along with a Brise starter, plus I have run a
2.5mm cable linking all the chassis earth points

(starting at the engine inlet side earth point) back to the
battery earth in an attempt to eliminate earth problems.

So far so good.
Doug.


> Message Received: Sep 03 2006, 02:06 AM
> From: [email protected]
> To: ***@***.***
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] battery cable
>
> > I was considering making the cables myself. Solder slugs are
available for

> each terminal and wire gauge. Placed into the terminal melted
with torch then

> the stripped cable end is inserted. The previously placed shrink
tube is

> pushed over the terminal and heated to shrink. Appears to be
easy as DIY.

>
> I need a cable for battery to ground, positive to cut off
switch, cutoff

> switch to front of car and solenoid, solenoid to starter.
>
> I hoped to do these myself.
>
> Bob
> 1969 Elan +2
>
>
>
>




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PostPost by: dougweall » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:46 pm

Colin,
Not that I want to mislead anybody, but I chose not to fit one as it is not needed.
The reason being that in theory I am not using the chassis as an earth.
My electrician friend who told me what I should do, said that I did not need it.
The 4 earth points on the car for attaching all the other various earth leads are all linked together
by the 2.5mm wire I have fitted from the furthest from the battery to the next and so on until you get to the battery.
Sorry if I seem as if I am trying to teach you to suck eggs by the above, but it is the best I can explain it.
Believe me it does work fine. Just been to Le Mans Classic and back 1400 miles, no trouble.
Oh! my Elan is 1970 S4.
Message Received: Sep 03 2006, 01:35 PM
From: "fatboyoz"
To: ***@***.***
Cc:
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] battery cable

> Doug,
Don't know which model you have, but my 68 S4 is fitted with an
engine to chassis earthing strap at the left hand engine mount. Is
also mentioned in the repair manual as well.
Colin.

--- In ***@***.***, ***@***.***e:
>
> Bob,
> No matter which method you use to make your cables, may I suggest
you fit one from a starter motor
> bolt back to the battery earth. (No engine to chassis earth is
fitted).
> I have this fitted, along with a Brise starter, plus I have run a
2.5mm cable linking all the chassis earth points
> (starting at the engine inlet side earth point) back to the
battery earth in an attempt to eliminate earth problems.
> So far so good.
> Doug.
>
>
> > Message Received: Sep 03 2006, 02:06 AM
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: ***@***.***
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] battery cable
> >
> > > I was considering making the cables myself. Solder slugs are
available for
> > each terminal and wire gauge. Placed into the terminal melted
with torch then
> > the stripped cable end is inserted. The previously placed shrink
tube is
> > pushed over the terminal and heated to shrink. Appears to be
easy as DIY.
> >
> > I need a cable for battery to ground, positive to cut off
switch, cutoff
> > switch to front of car and solenoid, solenoid to starter.
> >
> > I hoped to do these myself.
> >
> > Bob
> > 1969 Elan +2
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


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PostPost by: M100 » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:56 pm

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:45:00 +0200 (CEST),
***@***.***e:

Not that I want to mislead anybody, but I chose not to fit one as it is not needed.
The reason being that in theory I am not using the chassis as an earth.
My electrician friend who told me what I should do, said that I did not need it.
The 4 earth points on the car for attaching all the other various earth leads are all linked together
by the 2.5mm wire I have fitted from the furthest from the battery to the next and so on until you get to the battery.
Sorry if I seem as if I am trying to teach you to suck eggs by the above, but it is the best I can explain it.
Believe me it does work fine. Just been to Le Mans Classic and back 1400 miles, no trouble.
Oh! my Elan is 1970 S4.

Linking the wiring loom/chassis earth points together with a dedicated
cable is a good idea as far as lights and accessories are concerned
but if you have no engine to chassis strap then your starter motor
earth path is being achieved by extraneous earths attached to the
engine/gearbox. The prime contenders being the speedo cable and the
throttle cable.

As the engine to chassis strap earth strap also completes the
connection for the output from the dynamo/alternator back to the
battery then it only a matter of time before your throttle sticks
open, the speedo cable melts or the 0.5mm^2 and 0.75mm^2 earths in
the loom release all the excess smoke trapped within their insulation.
This is normally a bad thing :)

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