knock-off direction (rt. vs. left)

[elanplus2]

Hi Tony,

I agree with you!

I have eared spinners drilled and wired as you did.

ray







the spokes..

Tony V

Ray (I will still wire my nuts regardless!!) Edwards




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[c.beijersbergen]

Hello to all,

The Elan knock-offs are different from most or all of the other knock-offs
(Rudge) on other British sports cars. The explanation and the discription in
Haskell's book is the only right one. The only thing that influences
tightening or loosening of the nuts is the rolling direction of the wheels,
not the direction of the torque, so braking or accelerating does not make
any difference. Beware not to have your Elan towed backwards after an
accident for a longer distance, 'cause you will stand a fair change of
losing the rolling wheels. A small written warning somewhere visible on your
car about this would be a good thing in case you yourself are not present or
capable in case of an accident.
If you have any doubts about the way of reasoning in the Haskell book then
please just believe it, don't try to convince yourself into a different
solution.
I wonder whether a wire locking the knock-off nut to the wheel will really
work on a wrongly mounted hub and nut. But it will give an indication of the
nut loosening itself.
The discussion up to now on this subject cannot be resolved by counting
votes, that is not how physics and mechanics work. Haskell is the answer
here.

greetings from

Cor Beijersbergen van Henegouwen
'70 S4 SE FHC

[lotusnut]

At 08:26 AM 10/4/2002 +1200, you wrote:

this thread seems to come up every 12 months?
After screwing around with nuts for over 35 yrs, allow me to share that I have discovered,
YOU CAN NOT PUT A RIGHT HAND THREAD NUT ON A LEFT HAND THREAD BOLT.
It has driven me nuts at times.
There is no danger in the DPO having put the caps on wrong.
Need more proof?
I wanted to be sure so I went and tried to put the nut from the left side of the Lotus on the right. Won't go on! To screw up the factory's plan you have to swap your hubs. Hard to do unless bubba has both hubs off and not paying attention.
Anyway, the right side goes on clockwise. the right side goes on counter-clockwise.
Just don't back up a lot!
The wire-on sounds like a good idea. Has anyone drilled the Nader nut?
Just for fun, let's debate "Should the threads be lubricated?"

[elanplus2]

Hi Dave,

I have always found that lubricating my nuts doesn't seem to serve any purpose whatsoever.

Ray


The wire-on sounds like a good idea. Has anyone drilled the Nader nut?
Just for fun, let's debate "Should the threads be lubricated?"


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[simonknee]

I was wrong, wrong, wrong. In fact I sent an email quickly after the initial
when I found this url:

http://www.rdent.com/pages/tools.html
<http://www.rdent.com/pages/tools.html>

but it never got through to the list??
sorry, sorry, sorry etc

[MikeC]

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:41:28 +1200 Edwards, Ray wrote:


Oi! One dodgy remark per day is your limit!


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[TimMullen]

"Edwards, Ray" wrote:

I do - my car is original, I'm the only one who has dissembled the
suspension, and I did it one side at a time so I couldn't swap parts...

Left hand threads on the left side. Right hand threads on the right side,
as many others have said. Backwards of typical wire wheels.

There is more than one Elan out there with them mounted backwards - it can
happen when someone buys a basket case (or disassembles the entire
suspension at once) and puts it back the "standard" (but incorrect for Elan
wheels) way.

Once more, Left hand side "Undos" clockwise, and tightens to
counter-clockwise - left hand threads. The right side is the opposite...

By the way, it isn't standard for normal lug nuts to be left hand threads
on the left. Chrysler used to do than, but that's the only common car I
know... As far as I know, there is no physical/engineering reason for
that...

Tim Mullen

Chantilly, VA
72 Elan Sprint

[lotusnut]

At 08:23 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, Tim wrote:


BTW if your electric drill has a nut holding the chuck in place,
the nut is likely left handed, at least in the USA! ;-]
Several of us almost hurniated our nuts getting it loose!

I'm sure Ray de NZ will have something to say!

[gobw2]

Yes, Chrysler corp cars of the 1950's had that feature. I owned a 59
Dodge with that feature.To my knowledge, no other USA manufacturer did
that. I remember some garage "mechanics" of that era wringing off left
side nuts with impact wrenches. George 67 S3

On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:16:27 -0400 DAVE <***@***.***> writes:
At 08:23 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, Tim wrote: