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6 speed gearbox now available from Spyder

PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:03 pm

In theory It will mate to the zetec as this has the same bolt pattern as the LTC. The Duratec is different bolt pattern but not impossible. Spyder are concentrating on standard cars for the moment.
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PostPost by: Famous Frank » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:53 am

What has ever happened about the 6 speed Madza box Spyder was developing for the Elan. It's been well over a year since I have heard any news?

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PostPost by: theelanman » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:05 am

old hat......theyre looking at a 7 speed DSG......
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:19 pm

Spyder are stacked out with work and have been for the last 2 years. They are too busy building Zetec Elans and restoring standard cars to be able to devote the time to perfect the 6 speed project.

It's very frustrating, I think a lot of people would be interested if it was available as a kit.
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PostPost by: The Veg » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:35 pm

Maybe they should consider putting the project in somebody else's hands then.
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PostPost by: Foxie » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:31 pm

Just been talking to Andy at Spyder. They just got near to getting one unit built, but they are so busy with other work he said it could be 2 - 3 years before they get back to it :o
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Foxie wrote:Just been talking to Andy at Spyder. They just got near to getting one unit built, but they are so busy with other work he said it could be 2 - 3 years before they get back to it :o


so that would be 4 + 2 or 3 years build to get a first trial ? unless there are further delay...
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:36 pm

Does anybody want a 6 speed now? Originality seems to be the name of the hobby at the moment.

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PostPost by: Foxie » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:50 pm

Spyder fan wrote:Does anybody want a 6 speed now? Originality seems to be the name of the hobby at the moment.

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I do. I just replaced the 3.54 with a 4.55 diff in my Plus 2S. It's transformed my hillclimb performance, but the revs on the motorway driving to events are now to high, even with the T9 5-speed :)
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:27 pm

No rules with the formula you are competing in then?

The Mazda 6 speed ratios are no higher than a T9. The thought was that a 6 speed with a wide spread would better suit the low torque (relatively) of a twin cam engine. 4th in town between 25-35 isn’t easy with a standard 4 speed and standard engine. The low first will help with stop start traffic.

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PostPost by: Foxie » Wed May 01, 2019 2:24 pm

Thanks for that Alan.

I agree, the overall range of the Miata 6 speed and the Ford T9 5 speed are similar, but with a Miata and 3.54 diff I would have very similar first five gears as the T9 with a long 1st and a 4.55 diff, and the a 6th gear with the same overall gearing as the T9 with a 3.54 diff. This would be ideal for me.

The Motorsport Ireland regulations for Historics (The class I race and hillclimb in ) are very flexible.

(http://www.motorsportireland.com/Librar ... .sflb.ashx)

Basically, provided the geometry of the engine and suspension is original, and the car is not injected or turboed, modifications are fairly free. The big equalizer is that you are given a handicap calcaluted with regard to the average of your best times in your last 4 events as a ratio of the FTD at those events. The faster your car, the bigger the handicap. A bit like golf ! So there is everything out from 850 Minis to 4.7 Sunbeam Tigers. Great competition on hillclimbs, but you have to watch your mirror on circuits, and it's not such fun for spectators !
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PostPost by: The Veg » Sat May 04, 2019 1:12 am

Spyder fan wrote:Does anybody want a 6 speed now? Originality seems to be the name of the hobby at the moment.

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I THINK I would, or something more than the four-speed, as I intend to use this car for real driving. That said, I haven't driven it yet except for an ill-running eighth of a mile in first gear.
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PostPost by: Frogelan » Sat May 04, 2019 4:24 am

I have just had a look at this gearbox type on Ebay and indeed several Mazda gearboxes look promising.

I'm tied up with my "GTS project" at present, but if I had time, I would look at firstly the position of the lever compared to the rear of the bellhousing, the bellhousing and the size of the first motion shaft.

Spyder hardly have enough time to even answer the phone let alone rethinking a gearbox!
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sat May 04, 2019 7:23 am

Frogelan wrote:I have just had a look at this gearbox type on Ebay and indeed several Mazda gearboxes look promising.

I'm tied up with my "GTS project" at present, but if I had time, I would look at firstly the position of the lever compared to the rear of the bellhousing, the bellhousing and the size of the first motion shaft.

Spyder hardly have enough time to even answer the phone let alone rehinking a gearbox!


The gearbox that Myers/Spyder use is the Miata Phase 2.5 (Mk 2.5) 6 speed. The most recent boxes that fit to the Mazda Duratec style engine are far too bulky.
mk 2.5 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-Mx5-6- ... SwKVVcwwJl

Mk3 https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/2017-Mazda-Mx5 ... 7675.l2644
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PostPost by: Frogelan » Sat May 04, 2019 8:02 am

Thanks Alan. The first advert looked indeed promising but obviously there are quite a few bits to modify!
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