Lotus Elan

Repro Aluminum Gas Tanks

PostPost by: sveris » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:26 pm

Don't have my first Elan, yet, but will be looking again this year. Missed a Plus 2S awhile back – the owner sold it to another buyer while I was getting her a check.

Anyway, I am a long time Europa owner – 35 years – and member from the beginning of the Yahoo Europa Group, and thought I would pose a question while hopefully not ruffling too many feathers.

Over the years, I’ve taken on the task of reproducing difficult to find Lotus parts, and/or ones that are NLA [No Longer Available]. I guess I just couldn’t cope with the fact that certain items I needed for my S2 Europa were simply not available anywhere. A few examples of these have been speedometer driven gears, shifter bushings that fit Europas and Cortinas, special Renault tools, bumper bolts, tie rod assemblies, and gas tanks.

Reproduction gas tanks have been hard to find on this side of the Atlantic, not to mention fairly expensive. So, I thought I would query the Elan Group to see if there was any interest in having the Elan tanks duplicated. It’s not practical to have my fabricator make one or two tanks, but a run of a dozen or so has made sense in the past for other Lotus models.

I just finished a run of the Europa Twin Cam ones in both LH and RH versions, and will be finishing the last of the Series 2 Europa tanks this month. After that, a short run of Europa Series 1 tanks will be completed. Anyway, let me know if there is any interest about fabricating Elan tanks for those in North America.

These tanks won't be the works of art that Andy Wiltshire turns out in the UK. But the quality has been good fro the Twin Cam and Series 2 Europa ones, and they would not have to be shipped across the pond. BTW, I specifically posted in the For Sale section, so as to try not to upset the general membership.

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PostPost by: billwill » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:21 pm

You missed out a prime piece of information.

Where are you?
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PostPost by: Mr.Gale » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:55 pm

I'm interested.

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PostPost by: cal44 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:15 am

As long as they have the sending unit hole and proper dimensions. With a nice wall thickness, my life depends on it.

Is this for the Plus 2 as well? I don't know if the tanks are the same. I have a Plus 2. I would be interested if the tank is for the Plus 2.

This overseas shipping is killing my wallet.

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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:16 am

Steve is located in Dayton, Ohio.

An approximate price would be good too, I know if there were sufficient interest that the price may be a bit lower but a rough estimate would be great.

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PostPost by: RodMcIntyre1 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:31 am

I am very interested..
I would like some further info before pledging my participation however.
What model of Elan will it be for ? Previous discussions have mentioned different angles for the filler pipe.
Will the tank have the threaded attachment points on the underside ?
In 2001 or 2002 there was a group purchase of fuel cells for the Elan. It was organized by a chap in Oregon or Washington State by the name of Mark Ost ???.
I think I got his first name right but am not sure of his family name. The cost was somewhere between $US 600 and 800.
At the time I didn't have enough $, thankfully that has changed.
I will need two. One for road use and one for race (that would be a fuel cell). Both would be for the S2.
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PostPost by: sveris » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:43 am

At this time, I had only planned to reproduce the regular Elan tank. The Plus 2 ones could come later, as long as there is enough interest. While an initial cost estimate can be helpful, in the past, I've always had at least one prototype tank constructed before establishing a final price. I already have a sample Elan tank which the fabricator has seen, and for which an initial set of dimensions has been taken. I'll try to get a ballpark $$ over the next couple of weeks, but my target price right now is around $350.00 to $375.00 - depending on demand.

I'm off to the auto show in Detroit, this weekend, so please stay tuned. No Lotus cars on display, but there should still be plenty of new stuff to see!

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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Mark Van Osdel put together the group buy for the Fuelsafe custom Elan cell back in late 2001 and a few of us took advantage of his leg work. Like many of the folks that were around in the Yahoo days, Mark seems to have left elan.net.
The price that I paid back then was $837.50 for the 10 gallon Pro Cell from Fuel Safe.

The links are

elan-archive-f16/fuel-cell-t5550.html

and

elan-archive-f16/elan-fuel-cells-t6224.html

My guess that to get the equivalent pro cell today would be north of $1000, I have no clue to be honest as I don't look at things I can no longer afford.

I think its great that Steve is offering to put this together for those that are interested. He has done other builds and I think he likes the process of getting things made as I doubt that he is making much money doing it. I hope that some folks take advantage of the offer, as it would be nice not to send funds abroad to get hit with shipping and customs charges that can gag a horse. Before anyone commits take a look at Andy Wiltshire link on the forum.

business-listings-f3/axminster-specialist-panels-t14137.html

http://www.andywiltshire.com/web%20site ... 20page.htm

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A high quality aluminium fuel tank to replace the original steel unit.

Sender unit mount allows for fitting of original unit. Supplied with aerospace quality mounting bolts and sender unit bolts. The internal baffle design is an improvement over the standard item. Includes new sender unit gasket.

This tank can also be supplied in a fuel injected form and fitted with Aeroquip style fittings if required.

These tanks are clearly the best on the market! A recent European visitor, upon seeing my Elan tanks in person purchased one and returned his new alloy tank that he had sourced from a well known Lotus parts supplier. He said that there was no comparison between the two.

I am also able to offer a race Elan tank (of standard appearance) which is safety foam filled and fitted with an accurate sender unit. Please contact for full details.

Please see the bottom of the page for pics of other Elan tanks.

If you are in the USA or Australia, it is still cheaper to buy my tanks and the postage, than buy inferior examples available in your countries.

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Price: £335 (no vat to pay)
Sender units,

Series 1,2 and 3 cars, £64 (no vat to pay)

Series 4 and Sprint, £64 (no vat to pay)
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PostPost by: worzel » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:57 pm

Hi

I've no connection with the vendor of these tanks- all I'll say is the price seems pretty good- I had a stainless one made around 18 years ago and it cost £200 then!

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PostPost by: cal44 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:12 pm

holy smokes..............I should buy one of Mr. Wiltshire's cans just to look at..........damn.
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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:04 am

I am not much of a fabricator and I respect those that can look at something and say to themselves "no problem, I'll just make one". When my friend Bill asked for a fuel tank so that he could measure it for patterns, I gave him one of the leaky ones I have to use. What he did with it just amazed me. I think its something like 22 gauge aluminum, harder to weld but it's easier to form. Anyway here are a few pictures of what goes into building your own. I think that if Steve can deliver them at that price one would be just too thrifty not to buy it if one needed a fuel tank.

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PostPost by: Tahoe » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:24 pm

Without question, I will just say I'll buy one! I'll follow this to see where it ends up, but I'm sold and I want one.
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PostPost by: sveris » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:31 pm

Thanks to everyone who read my post and replied. But with only two guys interested, along with one more who has a Plus 2, I doubt I could get the fabricator to consider doing these. What do you think about posting again - this time in the regular Elans forum? Our Europa Newsgroup handles items like this a bit differently than this forum and others, so I'm not sure if a general posting about an item for sale would be acceptable to most subscribers.

I emailed the moderator for guidance, but he must be busy, traveling, or otherwise engaged. I'm not in the mood for flames, but what do you think?

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PostPost by: garyeanderson » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:57 pm

Hi Steve

I am not sure what to tell you. This site used to be an more balanced international Elan site but has migrated to being primarily U.K. Read and written. The folks that you are trying to appeal to seem to have moved on. I don’t have a clue on where but they don’t play at this playground anymore. They may still read but there are few that write. This is a quote from Jeff, Owner and Moderator.

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After reviewing everyones feedback and reviewing other auto related websites, I am thinking about the following changes:

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Anyway I appreciate the fact that you came around to offer the possible build of home grown Fuel tanks. Maybe posting in Elan’s are might help but will more than likely be met with the same results. I am broke or I would buy a couple of the tanks.

Thanks again

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PostPost by: elangtv2000 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:12 am

Steve,
As an Elan owner from CA, let me thank you for trying to put together this group buy. I recently put an aluminum tank into our S4 DHC, but I am picking up our "new" 1966 S3 FHC tomorrow, and after I check out the condition of the tank, I might possibly be interested. I'll let you know next week.
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