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PostPost by: The Cyclist » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:21 pm

I have two LHD Elan steering racks which were taken from cars being converted to RHD about 20 years ago.They have been dry stored & I have checked they both move smoothly without binding and don't seem to have any play. It's very difficult for me to decide on a price, but it has to be about the surcharge price.

So £75 and the postage is £40 to USA and £12 to Europe.

Obviously if I have priced too low everyone will be interested & if I have priced too high.....

I am in Bournemouth if anyone is considering personal pick up...

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PostPost by: pharriso » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:45 am

What cars did they come off S1/2 or S3/4? How much for post in the UK?
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:35 pm

pharriso wrote:What cars did they come off S1/2 or S3/4? How much for post in the UK?


would there be a difference ?
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PostPost by: pharriso » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:37 pm

Different spacers...
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:17 pm

pharriso wrote:Different spacers...


ok thank you
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PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:11 pm

Can an S2 Rack be converted to S4 or vice versa. There is a "hangup" in mine and since I did not build this GTS I don't know what rack it is .

I also don't know how much racks generally are. Since I am in the states, shipping would be the higher amount. So I am interested but just don't know how much.
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PostPost by: types26/36 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:32 pm

tvacc wrote:Can an S2 Rack be converted to S4 or vice versa. .


Yes.
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PostPost by: 1963 S1 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:57 pm

types26/36 wrote:
tvacc wrote:Can an S2 Rack be converted to S4 or vice versa. .


Yes.



And would it differ if it were a Lotus chassis versus a Spyder chassis?
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PostPost by: Esprit2 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:34 pm

tvacc wrote:Can an S2 Rack be converted to S4 or vice versa. There is a "hangup" in mine and since I did not build this GTS I don't know what rack it is.
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The left & right sleeve spacers in the rack limit how far the rack bar can be moved left & right (ie, they limit steering lock/ travel in each direction). In the Elan models, the S1, S2 & S3 used shorter spacers that allow more steering lock, and the S4 & Sprint use longer spacers that allowed less steering lock. The difference had to do with wheel/ tire sizes and rubbing on body/ chassis bits at full lock.

If you can find replacement parts, then yes, the different spacer sets can be swapped back and forth. Or...

The S4 / Sprint rack can be installed directly into an S1, S2 or S3 and used as is without any alignment issues. There will just be slightly less steering lock available compared to the original rack. The only time you'd notice the difference is in low speed parking maneuvers in tight spaces.

Going the other way, the S1-2-3 rack will also fit into an S4-Sprint without any alignment issues, but full steering lock will produce some tire or wheel rubbing. You can either discipline yourself not to go there, or swap in the correct spacers before installing the rack.

You can also 'start' with the rack from a Europa, Seven S2-S3, Spitfire or Herald, but that will require more extensive parts swapping first... spacers, sleeve nuts and steering rods (track rods). It's more like keeping only the rack core, and replacing all the add-on bits.

At a glance, the Elan +2 rack is externally "similar" to the Elan racks, but with it's own spacers plus extenders on the bespoke Elan short track rods (6"). However, it starts with the Triumph GT6/ Vitesse's lower/ slower gear ratio. The result is lighter, but slower steering. Otherwise the basic core rack bolts in. Elan +2 owners can make the steering quicker/ more sporty by swapping in a higher ratio Elan rack, plus all the appropriate add-on bits. The +2 is unique. The Seven S2-S3, Elan & Europa all use the same quicker gear ratio.

The Europa S1-S2 uses Spitfire-Herald 7" track rods plus add-on extenders, which resulted in a bumpsteer issue (the inner rod ends are too far inboard... the basic rack is too short).

The Europa TC put extenders (longer sleeve nuts) on either end of the rack bar to make it longer, then used the Spitfire-Herald track rods without extenders. That eliminated the bumpsteer. If you can find the parts, then that arrangement can be retrofitted onto the S1-S2.

The Elan +2 also uses track rod extenders, and I suspect (??) it may also have a bumpsteer issue similar to the early Europas... but I've not looked into that.

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PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:38 pm

Thanks Tim,

I have one question, how do you fit all that Lotus knowledge in one "brain". You are without a doubt the smartest Lotus person I know. You constantly amaze me!
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PostPost by: Esprit2 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:51 pm

Tony,
The problem isn't storage, it's retrieval. I know I have that, now where did I put it?
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PostPost by: gino1 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:55 pm

Hi Geoff ... sent you a pm
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:35 am

gino1 wrote:Hi Geoff ... sent you a pm
Thinks Gino


he may be busy with all the PMs, as apparently has not yet opened mine sent a couple days ago...
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PostPost by: The Cyclist » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:26 pm

OK I am going to do some tearing down & measuring this weekend as I would not wish to mislead people. Several people have offered to buy them, so I will check with them after measuring.

Thank you for the information.

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PostPost by: Esprit2 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:58 am

Geoff,
The driver's side spacer is welded to the inside face of the jam nut.

The passenger's side spacer is a short length of tube that just slides on over the rack bar. It's not locked into position by anything, and is free to seek its own position.

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