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Opinions of EBay 1971 Plus-2 ?

PostPost by: elanfan1 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:47 pm

Already asked the same question a couple of days ago without a response.

Starting to look like we won’t get an answer.
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PostPost by: Slowtus » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:39 am

elanfan1 wrote:Already asked the same question a couple of days ago without a response.

Starting to look like we won’t get an answer.


Maybe no answer needed.

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PostPost by: Chrispy » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:07 am

Ross Robbins wrote:My Dear Mr Baloo,

Please do not allow the cynicism of Mr Chrispy to dampen your desire to drive the Plus 2 home. It makes perfect sense to bond with your new acquisition and he is too risk averse by a factor of 3. I say a factor of 3 because I drove my Plus 2 home to Colorado from upstate New York...a distance of some 1,800 miles. Oh the other hand I may embrace too much risk as I found out. It is documented here: http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=36595

In all seriousness, if you have the time almost any situation can be handled with a cell phone and a credit card and you will make a memory and find out all about your car. Good Luck and safe travels!


Your story is exactly the reason not to do such a thing. In my opinion you were negligent for driving a car in that condition such a long distance. Bad brakes, bad tyres, gearbox issues, and a front end that was probably a few miles from a bad accident. If you survived you'd look pretty silly in front of the judge.

Yes I am risk averse, and I pack a toolkit and basic spares if I'm driving further than 50k's from home. In doing so I've never been stranded or needed assistance from a shop while in any of my Lotus over the years.
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PostPost by: prezoom » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:47 pm

It is not a matter of negligence, nor is it matter of poor judgement. It is a decision based upon the character of the person who is not afraid of making the decision based upon past experience. There are those who understand that there are things that can possibly go wrong, but are willing to accept that driving a 50-60 year old car is not the same as only purchasing/leasing new vehicles that are covered by the manufacturers warranty, and disposing of them when the warranty expires.

Ross probably has more mileage on road trips than the combined mileage of all of the members of élan.net. Is he afraid of a mechanical failure during these trips? I think not. On a multi thousand mile trip to the West Coast Lotus Meet this year, he had an engine mount fail in his Plus 2 Zetec. WOW, two Plus 2 Zetecs in the same place at the same time. He arranged for the delivery of a new mount and fixed it in the parking lot of the events hotel. It was just all part of having a wonderful time traveling with other Lotus owners and meeting new ones. Nothing more than a hiccup in Elan ownership.

When I made my first tour with my S2 Elan, it was two days after I got it running after the initial purchase. A 1400 mile jaunt through Central California. Was I afraid of having a mechanical failure or being stranded, no. I had a credit card and recovery insurance. Did things go wrong? Yes. The shift lever managed to engage both reverse and 2nd gear when trying to reverse direction in an intersection. The drive train was completely locked up. It took a few minutes to remove the shift lever and use a screwdriver to disengage the shift rails so the car would move. Everything replaced, and I was very careful when engaging reverse for the rest of the tour. A fix was made after I returned home.

The next morning the car would not start. A quick check found the main ignition lead had detached from the ignition lock behind the dash. The female connector was crimped a little tighter, pushed back on and we were off and running. On another long tour, the heater valve diaphragm failed in the middle of nowhere. A branch from a bush and a pocket knife whittled a plug that could be driven into the portion of the valve that screws into the head after the valve was disassembled. A second use for the KO hammer. Another piece of the branch was inserted into the heater hose and the clamp made things water tight. A small stream and the water I was carrying got me to a hose bib where I could completely fill the cooling system. Continued on the tour and the 400 miles returning home. Just another hiccup.

Reasonable judgement is needed before embarking on an old car adventure. Weighing the probabilities of a breakdown, and if one occurs, how does one effect a repair enters into the equation. Attitude is most likely the deciding factor. Only once on a tour, when a clutch failure along with a generator going south and a hole in the radiator forced me into submission with my Nash Healey and the recovery insurance got me the 450 miles home. All part of the adventure of what life brings when driving old cars. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
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PostPost by: Slowtus » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:39 pm

Still waiting to hear from the (prospective) buyer.
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PostPost by: 2cams70 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:03 am

prezoom wrote:It is not a matter of negligence, nor is it matter of poor judgement. It is a decision based upon the character of the person who is not afraid of making the decision based upon past experience. the world.


Yeah. agreed. These guys in China are right into the spirit of things. Probably the same guys that that designed that conrod bolt.

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PostPost by: 65sunbeam » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:14 am

"Still waiting to hear from the (prospective) buyer."
I doubt if we will. A timewaster to the eBay seller who got stuck holding the bag when he hit the buy it now button and to those who took the time here to try and help him make a decision to buy a car that he clearly had no clue about and was going to walk away from all along. Positive note though-there is now lots of good buying info for a +2 on this thread!
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PostPost by: JonB » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:00 am

Hmmm...

Baloo wrote:Well it's a doo bah de doo
Yeah it's a doo bah ba doo
I mean a dooby dooby, dooby dooby, dooby bah de doo..


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PostPost by: Slowtus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:02 pm

65sunbeam wrote:"Still waiting to hear from the (prospective) buyer."
I doubt if we will. A timewaster to the eBay seller who got stuck holding the bag when he hit the buy it now button and to those who took the time here to try and help him make a decision to buy a car that he clearly had no clue about and was going to walk away from all along. Positive note though-there is now lots of good buying info for a +2 on this thread!


I had already contacted the seller (MB Vintage Cars) with a view to doing a deal with my 1991 M100 but he demurred, perhaps I should go back to him again :D

Maybe our tire kicker should go after this one and get the full experience.

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PostPost by: h20hamelan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:19 am

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PostPost by: Slowtus » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:09 am



Excellent one but as I said on BaT, the exchange rate KILLS when buying in US$... :cry:
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PostPost by: h20hamelan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:12 pm

any thoughts as to what it would have fetched in the old country
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PostPost by: JonB » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:40 am

Difficult to tell. There are Plus 2s on eBay that have been listed for ages.

For example: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401730478154 at £19k

I'd have thought that was pretty reasonable for an S130/5 in good condition. I think the Plus 2 is still undervalued and in the UK there is much uncertainty over Brexit, which I suspect is impacting the classic car market.

This would be an interesting discussion to have, if anyone else feels like chipping in.
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