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Gearbox advice

PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:49 pm

Now that the end of our farther sone 26R project is dawning. I am beginning to collect parts for my plus 2.
I have been told that my car was an s130 but I am not sure if it was a 4 or 5. I ideally want a 5 speed box as I will be using it daily (or frequently anyway). I would therefore like to know which box would be best. I have heard that the lotus box is very bad but what do experts say? There is a 5 speed 2000e box, is that any good?
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PostPost by: JonB » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm

Hi Peter

Nothing wrong with the Lotus 5 speed in an Elan. OK, it has some parts from the Maxi in it but it's fine up to 160BHP (so I read). I think more than that and you are pushing its capabilities. The gearshift is often complained about but you can fix that easily enough, with a little bit of the old "Vince Reynard Magic":

viewtopic.php?t=45077&p=321531

The only problem is the price premium these original boxes command.
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:37 pm

Tell me about it, I was speaking to a pal the other day (Yes I do have friends :lol: ), he said that a decent one would fetch around £1 500 and for that, I would expect perfection. I think that the 2000E is the best and now I have found a 5 speed, it is probably the route I will go down. I often found with my s3 that it was difficult to get into gear as it was a snappy box, either in or out and that made a quick change very difficult.
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PostPost by: elansprint » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:05 pm

Peter if you are after an overdriven 5th gear i would check the ratio's on the 5 speed 2000E as the one I've seen was for racing with a 1:1 5th gear
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:12 pm

Ok, I'll look into it.
My other option is to put Ford Mk9 box in it which is five speed. The only alteration to the shell would be to move the the hole for the lever back about 3 inches (apparently), that would perhaps be an easy alternative to the Lotus 5 speed.
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PostPost by: Donels » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:23 pm

Alan Voights produces a Type 9 5 speed gearbox modified to keep the gear change in the same place. All available as a drop in kit, but not cheap.
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:26 pm

When you say not cheap, how expensive is not cheap? I am sure it can't be any worse than the shock I had when I found out that the cost of a carrell break light was for one side only :( https://classicalfa.com/lt068-1-complet ... N6xs2YHoVc
If it's too much, I think I can live with the selector in the wrong place...
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PostPost by: alanr » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:14 pm

I believe the complete Voight T9 conversion is currently £2500.
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:17 pm

Yep, I can live with a hole being in the wrong place.
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PostPost by: englishmaninwales » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:08 pm

Peter
Despite the cost, the advantage of a Voight 5 speed T9 conversion g/b is the range of gear sets available from BGH Geartech and their uprated synchro baulk rings and bearings.

http://www.bghgeartech.co.uk/html/gear_kits.html

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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:11 pm

Thank you Malcolm, I will look into it.
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PostPost by: ericbushby » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:02 am

Just a point, as I understand it, the Voigts 5 speed gearbox assembly is £2500.00 plus VAT if you are a private buyer and in the UK, therefore £3000.00.
It does include a complete new clutch assembly with a concentric slave cylinder, new tail shaft yoke and even every screw you will need. That is, everything between the flywheel and the prop shaft.
The next problem is the waiting list.
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:29 am

When you put it like that, it does not sound bad, I would imagine that once you have priced up a gear box rebuild and bought all of the required fittings (which I do not have anyway) it would probably be similar in price.
I'll see what the budget allows once the 26R is finished.
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PostPost by: englishmaninwales » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:19 pm

Do you need to source an appropriate T9 gearbox (there are different variations) for Voights plus the £2500 + vat or is the cost as outright purchase?
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PostPost by: ericbushby » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:58 pm

It is complete and ready for fitting.
New cast aluminium bellhousing, new clutch assembly, rebuilt gearbox, new aluminium tailshaft casting and yoke.
All screws, and even wire if you have a reversing switch.
Search for `Elan 5 speed conversion` and you should find it.
I have not got one myself but I saw them when they were overhauling my diff. and I was impressed.
I know Mark (son of) as he sometimes comes to our local Club Lotus meetings.
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